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	<description>It's about more than just music.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Meet Women on Twitter Facebook and Myspace</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-9536</link>
		<dc:creator>Meet Women on Twitter Facebook and Myspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 08:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the owner of this website got a twitter? -Maggie &#60;3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the owner of this website got a twitter? -Maggie &lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-4692</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im in agreement,i married an American girl and when she saw something in a shop and it didnt have a price tag on it she would say "oh, it's free!".i know know what she means.i checked my mp3 files and all say not protected in the properties,therefore i assumed they were free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im in agreement,i married an American girl and when she saw something in a shop and it didnt have a price tag on it she would say &#8220;oh, it&#8217;s free!&#8221;.i know know what she means.i checked my mp3 files and all say not protected in the properties,therefore i assumed they were free.</p>
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		<title>By: User from Czech Rep.</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-4648</link>
		<dc:creator>User from Czech Rep.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Joel,
You have my full support in this case. What are my oppinions?
1. I will support You with a few dollars, but it does not solve the problem.
2. Internet is strong enough now to fight back.
3. I happily pay 1 dollar to the artist, not 3 dollars more to RIAA
4. Similarity - I do not need to buy newspapers - I read news on web
    I do not need to buy translators, vocabularies or encyclopedias - I find it on web
5. Create banner "I do not buy from RIAA" and publish it - I will place it on my website!
6. Oll other users - do not buy from RIAA, pay directly to the artist's website 
    and download from them.
7. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joel,<br />
You have my full support in this case. What are my oppinions?<br />
1. I will support You with a few dollars, but it does not solve the problem.<br />
2. Internet is strong enough now to fight back.<br />
3. I happily pay 1 dollar to the artist, not 3 dollars more to RIAA<br />
4. Similarity - I do not need to buy newspapers - I read news on web<br />
    I do not need to buy translators, vocabularies or encyclopedias - I find it on web<br />
5. Create banner &#8220;I do not buy from RIAA&#8221; and publish it - I will place it on my website!<br />
6. Oll other users - do not buy from RIAA, pay directly to the artist&#8217;s website<br />
    and download from them.<br />
7. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Randal</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-4599</link>
		<dc:creator>Randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few questions that have plagued me for years, regarding the "fair use doctrine" as it is currently understood.    Probably everyone has wondered these same things. 

One, is it illegal for me to purchase a CD or DVD and make a copy of it?  Answer I am almost certain is NO.   (I actually prefer to use a "copy" and store the original safely away.) 

But what if I give that copy to a friend?  Have I infringed on the property rights or is this considered Fair Use?  

Two, if I see an interesting article on the internet, copy and paste it into an email and send it to a friend to read, is that an infringement, Fair Use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few questions that have plagued me for years, regarding the &#8220;fair use doctrine&#8221; as it is currently understood.    Probably everyone has wondered these same things. </p>
<p>One, is it illegal for me to purchase a CD or DVD and make a copy of it?  Answer I am almost certain is NO.   (I actually prefer to use a &#8220;copy&#8221; and store the original safely away.) </p>
<p>But what if I give that copy to a friend?  Have I infringed on the property rights or is this considered Fair Use?  </p>
<p>Two, if I see an interesting article on the internet, copy and paste it into an email and send it to a friend to read, is that an infringement, Fair Use?</p>
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		<title>By: Randal</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-4595</link>
		<dc:creator>Randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that no copyright notice is required to own the copyright.  There is no requirement to post "copyright by so and so"  in order for a party to have the copyright.   The moment I create an intellectual property, be it a photo, painting or a song, I own the copyright.    However,  It is when you find an infringement that prior registration and notice is of value in stopping the infringement, but again not absolutely essential.   

Am I missing something here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that no copyright notice is required to own the copyright.  There is no requirement to post &#8220;copyright by so and so&#8221;  in order for a party to have the copyright.   The moment I create an intellectual property, be it a photo, painting or a song, I own the copyright.    However,  It is when you find an infringement that prior registration and notice is of value in stopping the infringement, but again not absolutely essential.   </p>
<p>Am I missing something here.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-4569</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is, in fact, not illegal to take a purse or wallet or any other item left out in the open with no protection or ownership.  Lets say you drop your wallet on accident and walk off.  It is not stealing for someone to come by and pick up the wallet, and, although potentially immoral, it is not illegal to take the items out of the wallet as your own.  This, of course, not applying to things such as credit cards because they are very clearly labeled with your information and thus ownership is implied.  By this logic finding a CD in the gutter of the street and taking it as your own makes you the licensed owner if you choose to take and use the CD.  This logic could easily be translated to things you find on the internet.  If the songs are not tagged in a way that readily, easily, and undeniably implies true ownership, then you finding them on a site for free places the legal burden on that site or whomever is offering the data.

Theoretically in order to have any sort of valid claim to the music and any settlement gained from people 'illegally' taking the data, record companies should have to tag music in such an unalterable way that states the original creator of the music and the holder of the legal copyright, and, every time such music is heard in a legal public venue (i.e. during a concert, from the radio, on the phone) the author, creator, and legal holder should have to be stated as this creates ownership and thus establishes the chain possession that would make it legal to sue anyone taking it away from you.  Licenses embedded in the music is insufficient because music can be easily played without it by a variety of music players, and if you are using one of those players then it is possible to say you didnt know about its licensing.  Also, you cannot 'hear' an embedded license over the radio or at a concert.  Music heard at a concert is a little different than other forms because there is a pretty decent establishment of ownership since the band singing the music is likely to have ownership, but even then this is not entirely true because cover bands should be subject to laws dealing with plagiarism.  Also, even if a band does give the credits as to where their lyrics came from, I've never once heard a one say they had obtained permission to duplicate the songs from their legal copyright holders..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is, in fact, not illegal to take a purse or wallet or any other item left out in the open with no protection or ownership.  Lets say you drop your wallet on accident and walk off.  It is not stealing for someone to come by and pick up the wallet, and, although potentially immoral, it is not illegal to take the items out of the wallet as your own.  This, of course, not applying to things such as credit cards because they are very clearly labeled with your information and thus ownership is implied.  By this logic finding a CD in the gutter of the street and taking it as your own makes you the licensed owner if you choose to take and use the CD.  This logic could easily be translated to things you find on the internet.  If the songs are not tagged in a way that readily, easily, and undeniably implies true ownership, then you finding them on a site for free places the legal burden on that site or whomever is offering the data.</p>
<p>Theoretically in order to have any sort of valid claim to the music and any settlement gained from people &#8216;illegally&#8217; taking the data, record companies should have to tag music in such an unalterable way that states the original creator of the music and the holder of the legal copyright, and, every time such music is heard in a legal public venue (i.e. during a concert, from the radio, on the phone) the author, creator, and legal holder should have to be stated as this creates ownership and thus establishes the chain possession that would make it legal to sue anyone taking it away from you.  Licenses embedded in the music is insufficient because music can be easily played without it by a variety of music players, and if you are using one of those players then it is possible to say you didnt know about its licensing.  Also, you cannot &#8216;hear&#8217; an embedded license over the radio or at a concert.  Music heard at a concert is a little different than other forms because there is a pretty decent establishment of ownership since the band singing the music is likely to have ownership, but even then this is not entirely true because cover bands should be subject to laws dealing with plagiarism.  Also, even if a band does give the credits as to where their lyrics came from, I&#8217;ve never once heard a one say they had obtained permission to duplicate the songs from their legal copyright holders..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Podella</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-4559</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Podella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a stupid line of (il)logic. By that reasoning, if a purse is sitting in plain sight on a subway and is not locked up or chained to the owner (i.e, it is unprotected), then it is OK to go and take it. Nope, sorry - if you are not the rightful owner, taking it for your own use is theft.

Participating in the taking of a property right owned by another (the right to control who can use a work of art for other than a fair use - parody, etc.) is theft. You don't have an ownership right to use it and the rightful owner has not granted you a license to use it. Taking it for your own use without payment is theft.

It's not so hard to understand as you make it out to be. Just because an item is intellectual property doesn't mean it is not PROPERTY, whihc means the exclusive right to control an item, tangible or intangible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a stupid line of (il)logic. By that reasoning, if a purse is sitting in plain sight on a subway and is not locked up or chained to the owner (i.e, it is unprotected), then it is OK to go and take it. Nope, sorry - if you are not the rightful owner, taking it for your own use is theft.</p>
<p>Participating in the taking of a property right owned by another (the right to control who can use a work of art for other than a fair use - parody, etc.) is theft. You don&#8217;t have an ownership right to use it and the rightful owner has not granted you a license to use it. Taking it for your own use without payment is theft.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not so hard to understand as you make it out to be. Just because an item is intellectual property doesn&#8217;t mean it is not PROPERTY, whihc means the exclusive right to control an item, tangible or intangible.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Walther</title>
		<link>http://joelfightsback.com/2009/07/more-support/comment-page-1/#comment-4553</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Walther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just back to basics.  What in the hell are the songs(and other copyrighted material) doing openly and unprotedted on the world wide webs????  Why aren't they password protected like any other material on the internet, like, you pay for it or you can't download it.  Listen all ....what ever is on the Internet and not protected I will download it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just back to basics.  What in the hell are the songs(and other copyrighted material) doing openly and unprotedted on the world wide webs????  Why aren&#8217;t they password protected like any other material on the internet, like, you pay for it or you can&#8217;t download it.  Listen all &#8230;.what ever is on the Internet and not protected I will download it.</p>
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